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Friday, February 03, 2006

THE LAW IS THE LAW: THE LIE IS THE LIE

A bit of brief history here:
My little sister is one of those oblivious folks, who tends to take every fuzzy little bit of nonsensical email fluff, & forwards it on at the behest of the email, without researching it at all. I used to be on her forwarding list. I asked her (more than once) not to send me any more garbage.
Deaf ears.
I received this sometime in September.
Needless to say, it went from eye rolling to outright rage. So I drafted up a rebuttal, and clicked on REPLY TO EVERYONE.
It was a fairly sizable list, too.


THE LAW IS THE LAW: THE LIE IS THE LIE

I received this asinine thing via my sis, & have responded to EVERYONE in that set of addresses.I very courteously ask you DON'T SEND THIS OFF TO ANYONE ELSE! I have done the research, & all this nonsense is just that: nonsense.You're being lied to. Feel free to challenge me on any of these points. Go ahead & forward this commentary to everyone you've sent this to. I welcome any & all discussion, civil or otherwise. Normally, I leave these chain mail things alone, but this 1 is so tragically off on so many points, I will have to respond. THE LAW IS THE LAW This is one of the better e-mails I have received in a long time! I hope this makes its way around the USA several times over!!!!! So Be It! THE LAW IS THE LAW So if the US government determines that it is against the law for the words "under God" to be on our money, then, so be it.

"Under God" was inserted in 1954, at the behest of the knights of Columbus.

And if that same government decides that the "Ten Commandments" are not to be used in or on a government installation, then, so be it.
Since this country was NOT founded on Biblical premises, this is correct. Nor should the government be seen as sponsoring ANY religion whatsoever.
And since they already have prohibited any prayer in the schools,

This is a LIE, people. State-led prayer is prohibited. A student can pray anytime. State-led prayer is banned.

on which they deem their authority,

WRONG. Authority is deemed by the PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES, not God.

then so be it. I say, "so be it," because I would like to be a law abiding US citizen. I say, "so be it," because I would like to think that smarter people than I are in positions to make good decisions. I would like to think that those people have the American Publics' best interests at heart. BUT, YOU KNOW WHAT ELSE I'D LIKE? Since we can't pray to God, can't Trust in God and cannot Post His Commandments in Government buildings,

Whoever came up w/this crap should read the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, the Declaration, & look up the Establishment clause (Lemon test) to the 1st amendment. Also, the 10 Commandments don't apply to Gentiles: these are the Noahide laws.

I don't believe the Government and it's employees should participate in the Easter and Christmas celebrations which honor the God that our government is eliminating from many facets of American life.

This isn't pithy, it's just stupid

I'd like my mail delivered on Christmas, Good Friday, Thanksgiving & Easter. After all, it's just another day. I'd like the US Supreme Court to be in session on Christmas, Good Friday, Thanksgiving & Easter as well as Sundays. After all, it's just another day. I'd like the Senate and the House of Representatives to not have to worry about getting home for the "Christmas Break." After all it's just another day. I'm thinking that a lot of my taxpayer dollars could be saved, if all government offices & services would work on Christmas, Good Friday & Easter.

Not very bright. Administrative costs would WAY up for all of these idiotic ideas. Thanksgiving isn't a religious holiday, you moron.

It shouldn't cost any overtime since those would be just like any other day of the week to a government that is trying to be "politically correct.

Whoever said this has no clue what's going on.

In fact.... I think that our government should work on Sundays (initially set aside for worshipping God...) because, after all, our government says that it should be just another day....

Original Sabbath day was on Saturday. Look it up in the Bible.

What do you all think???? If this idea gets to enough people, maybe our elected officials will stop giving in to the minority opinions and begin, once again, to represent the 'majority' of ALL of the American people.

Okay, listen up: you are fostering a nonsensical misperception. The whole reason much of this is going on, is that the Supreme Court ruled (rightly) that the majority SHOULDN'T force their views on the minority. This isn't 'politcal correctness': you are SO WRONG ON THIS MATTER. Religion has a poor track record in re: tolerance.


SO BE IT........... Please Dear Lord, Give us the help needed to keep you in our country!


Worship your god on your own time. Keep your hands off my, and other people's, rights. This is a democracy, not a theocracy. We the people made a compact with ourselves. We weren't led here by some Old Testament prophet. Inserting 'God' into our money, our pledge, our schools, is a clear violation of the FIRST AMENDMENT. Go look it up. It's bi-directional.


'Amen' and 'Amen' Touche! These are definitely things I never thought about but from now on, I will be sure to questions those, in government, who support these changes.


I support every change.


At the top, it says "I hope this makes its way around the USA several times over!!!!!"


Let's hope not. This is a compendium of idiocy, propaganda, and outright lies.

I received this in response:

Let me see if I've got this right. You want me to go into that room with all those kids, and fill their every waking moment with a love for learning. And I'm supposed to instill a sense of pride in their ethnicity, modify their disruptive behavior, observe them for signs of abuse and even censor their T-shirt messages and dress habits. You want me to wage a war on drugs and sexually transmitted diseases, check their backpacks for weapons of mass destruction, and raise their self esteem. You want me to teach them patriotism, good citizenship, sportsmanship, fair play, how to register to vote, how to balance a checkbook, and how to apply for a job. I am to check their heads for lice, maintain a safe environment, recognize signs of anti-social behavior, and make sure all students pass the mandatory state exams, even those who don't come to school regularly or complete any of their assignments. Plus! , I am to make sure that all of the students with handicaps get an equal education regardless of the extent of their mental or physical handicap. And I am to communicate regularly with the parents by letter, telephone, newsletter and report card. All of this I am to do with a piece of chalk, a computer, a few books, a bulletin board, a big smile AND on a starting salary that qualifies my family for food stamps. You want me to do all of this and yet you expect me....not to pray?"
To this, I answered:
By all means, go ahead & pray.Just do it on your own time. Besides, sounds like you don't have enough time to.

By the way, sis, you’re not a teacher.

& followed it up with:
"For those of you who cheered that LAW IS THE LAW business, a link for you all: http://dubsays.blogspot.com/2005/10/case-for-public-schooling.html
Prayer belongs in the CHURCH - Not in the schools, and certainly not in the government.We're talking reality here people. Not the Jerry Springer show. An argument for popularity belongs ON THE TALK SHOW CIRCUIT. I cannot emphasize this enough. & for those of you who have not been an outcast in the K12 school system, or a minority, I speak from experience: it's Hell on Earth, baby. & you want to mix religion into that steaming cauldron of hormones and identity formation and conflict? Do some research, instead of blindly cheering something that on the surface SEEMS reasonable. Because that LAW IS THE LAW nonsense is the most specious nonsense I've ever read. And I can prove it."


Guess what?
I don’t receive any of her ‘fuzzy’ bullshit via email anymore.
Now, I was incorrect on one point: Thanksgiving is indeed a religious holiday.
I also found out later that her phone was ringing off the hook because of this. Former fellow employees, relatives (I’m guessing), etc.
“Who is this guy, and what’s he ranting and raving about?” was the gist I received (second-hand: we weren’t too damn close, & the rift is widening).
Chances are, I was dismissed out of hand as ‘moonbat’, wingnut, whatever.
Squeaky wheel gets the grease, I say.


And that, dear readers, is my nickel’s worth.

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18 comments:

HairlessMonkeyDK said...

Huh?
Wellllllll..... shows the value of doing one's rersearch, yesssss....

But what strikes me as most "weird" is yer sis.
Maybe I shouldn't elaborate.

Krystalline Apostate said...

Best not, HMDK.
Of course, I'm so close to disowning BOTH my sisters, it ain't funny.

HairlessMonkeyDK said...

"Best not, HMDK."

Then I won't, lest you ask me.
It's difficult, isn't it?
Being openheartently honest and still part of the familial focus?
Mandatory ties always rip us asunder, believers or no.

Ranting Ape said...

shit ra i still cant beleive there are people that can believe this even though i see it every day and deal with them every day


tony

Krystalline Apostate said...

Tony:
Yeah, well, the worst part, is that she's not even RELIGIOUS, fer cryin' out loud. That's what kills me.
It's this peer-pressure horse manure that gets right up me nose.
& warm fuzzy feelings as substitute for truth.
I can't hardly wait for the next level of evolution to start kicking in.
Our species is in dire need of a rude wake-up call.

udonman said...

hey ra this is tony i see on the above i posted with my other blog oh well

and it sound like she is a great person maybe she needs more support from a strong atheist i am single and (just joking well maybe)
you really should be patient with her and let her know that it is okay for her to stand on her own but i am shure you have done that already have you bought her any athiest books or the such for her birthday maybe she just needs some more support my brother did not come out that he is an atheist until after i did and he still had some issues similair to your sister any way see yah on no god blog

Krystalline Apostate said...

udonman:
Well, I have my doubts as to how great a person she is.
She's in her mid-forties, 2 kids, is a control freak, & runs to mommy when we argue.
As to buying her books? What a waste of money, for someone who would 'rather wait till the movie comes out.'
I'll say no more.

udonman said...

i see i just got the impression she was younger then you if shes in her forties and still acts that way well she most likely wont change

HairlessMonkeyDK said...

udonman... eh... Reluctant is OLDER. He's forty----ehh, I'll let him tell you himself, if he wants to. I mean, the guy is so easily piqued.

Krystalline Apostate said...

HMDK:
I mean, the guy is so easily piqued.
WHAT???? How DARE YOU insinuate that I'm so...ROFLMAO!
Did I get ya?
Yeah, sometimes, it does seem like I get up in arms pretty easily.
Should probably stick to de-caf, ey? ;)

HairlessMonkeyDK said...

ReluctyLoon spilled:
"Should probably stick to de-caf, ey? ;)".

No, HELL NO!
You've already abandoned MEAT,
not you're pondering the wisdom of fleeing from COFFEE?
Next, you'll quit SMOKING, I bet...
What is your major malfunction?
If you don't ENJOY you "vices",
by all means let 'em fall away...
just don't stop doing things because they may be hazardous to yer health... that way boredom... and, hence, living death, lies.
I mean, I eat greasy food en masse,
I smoke like an 1888 London chimney, my liver processes more alcohol than the gills of a fish does water... and I know these pleasures will shave years off my expected life-span... but so what?
Because by -indulging- in them,
I enjoy the years I -DO- have that much more.

Stardust1954 said...

This is a great response! (I read your response to me on Freethoughtmom's blog about me getting these kinds of forwards. I also wrote a post about it on my blog here http://thoughtsfortheopenminded.blogspot.com/2006/01/it-takes-lot-of-nerve.html
I just got another one from my fundamentalist aunt today about an "angel" in a tomato..she felt spiritually moved by it...LOL! I wrote her back that looking at it closer that it looked more like the faces of jack-o-lanterns...and I said that it is something how humans have such an imagination! I had to recently tell another friend to STOP sending me religious forwards...however her emails contain this quote at the bottom in bold purple letters "When life knocks you down, make sure you fall to your knees." I am looking for a really good quote to put at the bottom of mine.

Krystalline Apostate said...

HMDK:
Because by -indulging- in them,
I enjoy the years I -DO- have that much more.

Don't be in such a hurry, my friend.
The world would be a touch sadder for your leaving of it.
Besides, in my wastrel youth, I ran w/the carnies. & those folk PAR-TAY.
& some them would come up to me, & ask, "What are you on, & can I have some?"
I'd usually reply, "I don't need drugs, I'm ALWAYS like this."
Because happy is happy.
I read in a Rajneesh book (If the shoe fits, the foot is forgotten) that if the Indians (Hindis, etc) found an ancient man who was very happy, they'd start following him around. Why? Because the waters of vitality had nearly run dry, & still this fellow was having the time of his life!
Who wouldn't want to know his secret?
Long as it's not religious, what a novel concept.

Krystalline Apostate said...

Stardust1954:
The trick is to be loud, proud, & in-the-face about it.
Asking politely in our culture seems to be overlooked, or looked down on as a weakness.
I imagine that's how idiots like Savage & O'Reilly make it big.
Rudeness has come in vogue.
It's sad, I know. I'd rather ask nicely, because that's the way I prefer to be treated.
Donahue has SO much to answer for.
Truth is, that was the 1st overtly religious email I'd gotten from my little sis.
She has a habit of forwarding this nonsense w/o even using a bit of logical thinking or cynicism.
As long as it's 'warm & fuzzy'.

HairlessMonkeyDK said...

Reluctant sez:

"Don't be in such a hurry, my friend.
The world would be a touch sadder for your leaving of it."

Oh, please! There'll be dancin' in the streets at my funeral...
and you'll lead the parade!

"Besides, in my wastrel youth, I ran w/the carnies. & those folk PAR-TAY.
& some them would come up to me, & ask, "What are you on, & can I have some?"
I'd usually reply, "I don't need drugs, I'm ALWAYS like this."
Because happy is happy."

Well, you're making the ... hehehe!
puritan's mistake of thinking that I -can't- be happy without my vices. I can, and ,frequently these days, am.
I'm just saying that as long as a supposed "vice" adds more than it detracts, I'm going to indulge.

Krystalline Apostate said...

HMDK:
Oh, please! There'll be dancin' in the streets at my funeral...
and you'll lead the parade!

That all depends on whether you'd prefer an Irish wake, or the Parsee aerial burial (heehee).
Well, you're making the ... hehehe!
puritan's mistake of thinking that I -can't- be happy without my vices. I can, and ,frequently these days, am.
I'm just saying that as long as a supposed "vice" adds more than it detracts, I'm going to indulge

That's fine, me Danish friend. I think YOU'RE making the reprobate's ... hehehe! mistake that an altered state is what's needed to enjoy life.
Nice to know that (maybe) you're cutting back on...er, your favorite poisons.
Be that as it may, it has been observed, that health is inextricably linked w/mores.
Who was it, that said, "In all things, be gentle w/thyself"? I think it was Siddhartha, but am unsure.
These are but thoughts.

HairlessMonkeyDK said...

Baldy McToothless Martial Arts Foppish GentleBeast regurgitated:

"That's fine, me Danish friend. I think YOU'RE making the reprobate's ... hehehe! mistake that an altered state is what's needed to enjoy life. "

No. But it can add to the enjoyment as much as it can detract. Which was my whole point.
It's all a matter of degrees and balance.
Let's take something like pot.
I've smoked it several times, but never with any real effect.
At most it made me slightly drowsy.
And, no, it wasn't the "quality" of the stuff that was bad...
The guys n' gals I smoked the stuff with were all floored by the power of it.
I just sat there feeling "cheated".
Hell, I suppose my constitution should be studied.
I've also tried speed, but gave that up VERY fast, as its effects goes diametrically against my temperament. Heroin?
Hell, if I want to sleep I'll lie down and close my eyes.
But I get the incentive...
I had an operation a couple of years ago, which entailed morphine injections. It was pleasurable, yes, like being slowly falling asleep in warm water, but I sure as hell ain't goin' back for seconds.
My only real indulgences are booze and tobacco.

Krystalline Apostate said...

HMDK:
The guys n' gals I smoked the stuff with were all floored by the power of it.
I just sat there feeling "cheated".

Sure it wasn't parsley? Hehehehe. Old stoners joke. Placebo effect, all that.
It's all a matter of degrees and balance.
Now that's what I'd call semi-clever. ;) Just teasin', mein freund.
Those are actually words to live by. Wish I'd said them.
My only real indulgences are booze and tobacco.
Well, the latter's all that's left to me (I love a good Guiness now & again, but I absolutely HATE running to the bathroom every 5 minutes), & that'll go the way of the dodo very soon. Oh, & coffee. Always did love stimulants.
Most of my induced stimuli has fallen by the wayside. Getting faster isn't always getting better (as any woman will tell ya).