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Sunday, June 11, 2006

YATG: THE TIBETAN CONNECTION PART THE ONE

(YAG = Yet Another Gospel)

Here’s something I stumbled upon a few years back, in my researches on Christianity.

From the above link:” This "Gospel of the Holy Twelve" (Evangelists) of the Christian Dispensation is one of the most ancient and complete of early Christian fragments, preserved in one of the Monasteries of the Buddhist monks in Tibet, where it was hidden by some of the Essene community for safety from the hands of corrupters and now for the first time translated from the Aramaic. The contents clearly show it to be an early Essenian writing. This ancient community of the Jewish Church called Yessenes, Iessenes, Nazarites, or Nazirs, strongly resembling the Therapeutae, and the Buddhists, who practiced community of goods, daily ablutions, daily worship, and renounced flesh eating, and strong drink and the sacrifice of animals, and the doctrine of "atonement" for the sins of some by the vicarious and involuntary suffering of others, as held by the Pharisees and Sadducees, and by the heathen before them; thus preparing the way for those Orders and Communities of men and women which have since arisen throughout the East and West, like cities set on hill, to show the more perfect way to Christians living. In the world, notably those of S. Basil in the East, and S. Benedict in the West, and, with them, the Carthusians and the Franciscans, and before them all, the Carmelites (who had their headquarters on Mount Carmel) to whom they are similar in their customs, and even their dress, if not altogether identical with them, tracing their origin to Elias, abstaining from all flesh meats and strong drinks, whose symbol was, it is said, an iron cross in a circle, and among the animals, the Lamb and the Dove their special emblems. See Philo (in Loco) or Kitto's Cyclopaedia (art, Essenes), also Arthur Lillie's "Christianity and Buddhism."

Before we delve into this…oddity, let’s examine the source (I shall attempt to NOT poison the well, but the restraint required shall be…difficult at best).

The source is one Rev. Gideon Jasper Richard Ouseley M.A. 1835 – 1906. The biographical info is as follows:

(snip) “This because, believing that he had been called to undertake this important mission, he set about to present to the world the hidden text “The Gospel of the Holy Twelve,” the Christian Dispensation pieced together from the most ancient and complete collection of Christian fragments, preserved in one of the Monasteries of the Buddhist monks in Thibet, where it was hidden by some of the Essene community for safety from the hands of the Corrupters and for the first time to be translated from the Aramaic. It was a translation of an original Aramaic document purporting to be a reconstruction and revision of the Gospel narrative.”(snip).

Answers.com is strangely silent on this fellow. But here are the facts, as I know them:

  1. There are no ‘hidden texts’

  2. Ouseley claimed to have garnered this via a vision, as per the following:
Szekely Essenes: Readers of the Gospel of Peace scribed by Szekely. These sometimes accept other channeled modern texts like the Gospel of the Holy 12 and the Aquarian Gospel. These often believe in Szekely's Essene Communions but seldom do them. These often associate the name with dairy using vegetarianism, fasting, enemas and colonics.”

Yes, you read that right: CHANNELED. Ouseley claimed to have received these ‘writings’ via a number of individuals (all of whom were deceased) by the names of Swedenborg, Maitland, Kingsford, and Placidus.

Having cleared that up, I will touch briefly on key points. Truthfully, when I read the thing, I rather liked it. It portrayed the mythical character as kind to animals, a vegetarian (which makes a sort of sense), a veritable middle-eastern Dr. Doolittle (here, it states that: And for seven years he conversed with God face to face, and he learned the language of birds and of beasts, etc), well traveled (AND after a time he went into Assyria and India and into Persia and into the land of the Chaldeans. And he visited their temples and conversed with their priests, and their wise men for many years, doing many wonderful works, healing the sick as he passed through their countries. Same link above), I mean, it really portrays JC as a well-rounded renaissance fella.

A large portion (about 80% is my guesstimate) is obviously culled from the Synoptics and John.

Here’s a portion I rather liked:

Iesus Condemneth the Ill-Treatment Of Animals.
1. AND some of his disciples came and told him of a certain Egyptian, a son of Belial, who taught that it was lawful to torment animals, if their sufferings brought any profit to men. 2. And Iesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, they who partake of benefits which are gotten by wronging one of God's creatures, cannot be righteous: nor can they touch holy things, or teach the mysteries of the kingdom, whose hands are stained With blood, or whose mouths are defiled with flesh. 3. God giveth the grains and the fruits of the earth for food: and for righteous man truly there is no other lawful sustenance for the body. 4. The robber who breaketh into the house made by man is guilty, but they who break into the house made by God, even of the least of these are the greater sinners. Wherefore I say unto all who desire to be my disciples, keep your hands from bloodshed and let no flesh meat enter your mouths, for God is just and bountiful, who ordaineth that man shall live by the fruits and seeds of the earth alone.

Note the interchanging of the ‘J’ with an ‘I’. This happens a great deal. Also, Iesus is referred to as ‘Jesu-Maria’ (Why? I’m not sure why, not sure I want to know).
Also:

"Iesus Releases The Rabbits And Pigeons

1. IT came to pass one day as Iesus had finished his discourse, in a place near Tiberias where there are seven wells, a certain young man brought live rabbits and pigeons, that he might have to eat with his disciples. 2. And Iesus looked on the young man with love and said to him, Thou hast a good heart and God shall give thee light, but knowest thou not that God in the beginning gave to man the fruits of the earth for food, and did not make him lower than the ox, or the horse, or the sheep, that he should kill and eat the flesh and blood of his fellow creatures. 3. Ye believe that Moses indeed commanded such creatures to be slain and offered in sacrifice and eaten, and so do ye in the Temple, but behold a greater than Moses is herein and he cometh to put away the bloody sacrifices of the law, and the feasts on them, and to restore to you the pure oblation and unbloody sacrifice as in the beginning, even the grains and fruits of the earth. 4. Of that which ye offer undo God in purity shall ye eat, but of that kind which ye offer not in purity shall ye not eat, for the hour cometh when your sacrifices and feasts of blood shall cease, and ye shall worship God with a holy worship and a pure Oblation. 5. Let these creatures therefore go free, that they may rejoice in God and bring no guilt to man. And the young man set them free, and Iesus break their cages and their bonds.

Hmmm…sounds like my kinda guy. Preaching = practicing.

So, lessee: No ancient script to be found, verbiage received from on high, no historical proof whatsoever (there’s a brief reference to Origen mentioning the bloody thing, which is neither here nor there).

Final analysis: HOAX.

But of course, isn’t all religion?

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12 comments:

say no to christ said...

Sounds like Jesus joined PETA. lol

I'm not sure what to think of all this stuff about the Essenes. I do know that they are the authors of the Dead sea scrolls and very very little of the dead sea scrolls has been allowed to be examined according to Osman. So, I was quite surprised to see this link with so much information and I also noticed that the author of the site is a devout Jesus follower, but is correct in placing Jesus in the 1st century BC. and a few other small details.

In Osmans books he refers to the Essense a few times, but makes it very clear that not much is known other than they are the owners of the Dead sea scrolls and were a Jewish sect that followed the teachings of Jesus in the OT times.

Good job at exposing the hoax.
Another set of writings that Osman refers back to is the Talmud. Upon reading Osmans books is the first time I have ever heard of them.

Ra, have you heard of the talmud writings before?

Amy

Krystalline Apostate said...

SNTC:
I'm not sure what to think of all this stuff about the Essenes. I do know that they are the authors of the Dead sea scrolls and very very little of the dead sea scrolls has been allowed to be examined according to Osman.
What I find suspicious, is the absence of any mention whatsoever of the Essenes in the bibble.
Ra, have you heard of the talmud writings before?
??? Which ones? The Gemara? I'm not sure what you're referencing there.

say no to christ said...

Ra said:"What I find suspicious, is the absence of any mention whatsoever of the Essenes in the bibble"

From what I understand the Essenes were a Jewish sect that followed the teachings of the "rightous teacher" who was the son of Moses before Jesus suposed time. Here is a link that explaines it how Osman explains it in his books. ITs a short read.
http://members.aol.com/MercStG/EssenesPage1.html

Also Osman shows the orgins and different translations which translate to the healer/emanuel/Jesus. Essense is basicly the Egyptian word for Jesus. So essense would not appear in the bible with that name.

RA Said:"??? Which ones? The Gemara? I'm not sure what you're referencing there."

Oh shit, theres more than one? I guess the rabbinic writings of the talmud??

If you know more about the talmuds, please spill it? This is the first I have heard of them and want to know more.

Amy

Krystalline Apostate said...

SNTC:
Thnx for the link.
Mercian order of St. George? Interesting.
I guess the rabbinic writings of the talmud??
Sorry, I guess I got confused.
http://www.answers.com/topic/gemara?method=22
"The Gemara (also Gemorah) (גמרא - from gamar: Hebrew "[to] complete"; Aramaic "[to] study") is a component of the Talmud, comprising the rabbinical commentaries and analysis on the Mishnah, undertaken in Babylon. During the centuries following Rabbi Judah's editing of the Mishna, it was studied exhaustively by generation after generation of rabbis. Eventually, some of these rabbis wrote down their discussions and commentaries on the Mishna's laws in a series of books known as the Talmud. The rabbis of Palestine edited their discussions of the Mishna about the year 400: Their work became known as the Palestinian Talmud (in Hebrew, Talmud Yerushalmi, which literally means "Jerusalem Talmud")."
I'm unclear what you were referencing exactly.

say no to christ said...

Ra

Do you know what it (the talmud) says? Sometimes it is hard to find unbias information about religious writings and when I tried a google search I found a few sites that just seemed like BS and very bias. One site went on and on about how the Talmud was antichristian and out to destroy the christian faith through the Jewish controlled media. Lol

Now the way Osman refers to it is unbias and that some of the info in them refer to jesus as an idolter and that he led the isrealites astray, but he camepares it with the Egyptian history that coinsides with the Isrealites and it matches Tutankhamun who restored the other Egyptian gods to the peoples who called him the "rightous teacher" "the redeemer" and the list goes on with the same names that were used to identify Jesus.

I was curious as to what you knew about them and if you knew even more about them, cuz this is the first time I have ever even heard of them and Im not sure to what extent of seriousness do the scholars take them.

Amy

say no to christ said...

Oh and I'm checking to make sure the Author of the book is realiable as well. He does have a theory that a lot of conservative and mainstream scholars refuse to give the time of day to and scough at. I like getting all sides to make sure its valid.


Amy

Krystalline Apostate said...

Amy:
Do you know what it (the talmud) says?
Sounds like I'm going to have to read the thing after all.
Sometimes it is hard to find unbias information about religious writings and when I tried a google search I found a few sites that just seemed like BS and very bias. One site went on and on about how the Talmud was antichristian and out to destroy the christian faith through the Jewish controlled media.
No surprise there. Religion does generate it's fair share of wingnuts.
Of course, so does atheism, only not quite so many.
but he camepares it with the Egyptian history that coinsides with the Isrealites and it matches Tutankhamun who restored the other Egyptian gods to the peoples who called him the "rightous teacher" "the redeemer" and the list goes on with the same names that were used to identify Jesus.
That sounds a bit like Freud's extrapolation.
Of course, no proof of the exodus, so that's somewhat interesting (outside of the Hyskos running Egypt for a century, before they were 86-ed).
King Tut? The boy king.
http://www.answers.com/Tutankhamun
Oh and I'm checking to make sure the Author of the book is realiable as well.
That's always a good SOP. Research is an absolute must.

say no to christ said...

Ra said:"That sounds a bit like Freud's extrapolation.
Of course, no proof of the exodus, so that's somewhat interesting (outside of the Hyskos running Egypt for a century, before they were 86-ed)."


That is the thing that bothers me too about Osmans theory. He briefly mentions the 40 years in exodus. But, he believes the exodus began when the last of the Armana kings died He and his followers wondered the outskirts of Egypt and caused a lot of trouble along the road of Horus for stealling water. In the bible god wouldnt let Moses cross to the promised land for smiting a rock to make water for his followers who were complaining of thirst. The time line of Akhenaten's adventures after loosing his throne and upon his return after the last Armana king died(I was mistaken when I though it was his son) to claim the throne as the rightful heir(The title Mos in Egypt means rightful heir)is where it all starts.


Akhenaten (alone) 6yrs 1367-1361 B.C.

Semenkhkare - ----

Tutankhamun 9yrs 1361-1352

Aye 4 yrs 1352-1348 B.C.

Hremheb 13yrs 1348-1335 B.C

The end of the eighteenth dynasty

and the start of the nineteenth and the exodus

Ramses I 2yrs 1335-1333

Seti I 29 yrs 1333-1304

Ramses II 67 yrs 1304-1237


OK, now I'm getting confuse again with all these dates and names.
I hope I am making sense?

Krystalline Apostate said...

SNTC:
Here's where there's a problem w/the historical chronology.
http://www.answers.com/topic/hyksos - "A Semitic people who invaded Egypt and ruled it during the 17th and 16th centuries B.C. They introduced the horse and chariot into Egypt."
Which is the closest approximation of anything resembling the Israelites claim of the Exodus. So there's a 3-400 year gap there.
The time line of Akhenaten's adventures after loosing his throne and upon his return after the last Armana king died
Armana? That's a new word.
Freud postulated that Moses (or Mos) was synchronous w/Akhenaten (I forget how he explained that), & that Moses lifted the concept of monotheism from his education in Egypt.
Only the latter (the educational) makes any sense.
I dunno. Starting to sound a little iffy.

say no to christ said...

I know exactly what you are saying. Osman talks about the Hykso rule of 108 years way before the time of moses and that the confusion about the timelines are due to the belief that Horemheb ruled for 29 yrs to 59 yrs instead of the 13 yrs and that Egyptian text do not metion the isrealites or the hebrews cuz they werent known as that at the time but were known as the Shashu and the egyptian texts that mentions them is almost identical with the bible and the karan.

I am absolutely horrible with dates and all the different names assigned to a group of people and people themselves. So I dont think I am giving an very good report on these books. From the evidence he provides from texts and archaeological finds it reads very valid. If you want I would be happy to mail the books to you. I think if you read them you would be able to do a through critique and be able to straighten out all the names and dates for me as well. They are quick read books, if you are interested email me at eckamy2@aol.com

Amy

say no to christ said...

Hey Ra

I mailed the books out this morning so you should get them in a couple of days. :)


Amy

Krystalline Apostate said...

SNTC:
My thanks, m'lady.
I will return them when I can. Much obliged.