tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20169168.post115487084144469204..comments2023-07-08T06:13:19.344-07:00Comments on biblioblography: OF TOOTH AND CLAW, PINCER AND MANDIBLE, CRUELTY ABOUNDS IN THE NATURAL WORLDKrystalline Apostatehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20169168.post-1155011355700093682006-08-07T21:29:00.000-07:002006-08-07T21:29:00.000-07:00karen:I thought RA's point was that the dangers of...karen:<BR/><B>I thought RA's point was that the dangers of the natural world are just that. </B><BR/>You know how it is. There's multiple layers of subtext for the religious.<BR/>But you're right.<BR/>Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.<BR/>I wonder if Goose smokes Cubans. ;)Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20169168.post-1155006067529173342006-08-07T20:01:00.000-07:002006-08-07T20:01:00.000-07:00GooseAre we reading the same post? I thought RA's ...Goose<BR/>Are we reading the same post? I thought RA's point was that the dangers of the natural world are just that. There's nothing evil about them.<BR/>It is the religious who introduce the concept of evil.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20169168.post-1154984045414912142006-08-07T13:54:00.000-07:002006-08-07T13:54:00.000-07:00Goose-You forgot anti-matter. Hasten to define 'go...<B>Goose-</B><BR/><BR/>You forgot anti-matter. Hasten to define 'god' please.Mesofortehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11187247135363619155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20169168.post-1154978702025767332006-08-07T12:25:00.000-07:002006-08-07T12:25:00.000-07:00Goose:You seem to be mixing&matching worldviews he...Goose:<BR/><B>You seem to be mixing&matching worldviews here.</B><BR/>It's observational critique, is all.<BR/><B>1) Either you believe that nature is all there is and everything that has ever been. Then your values shoudl be based on that, ie. everything is natural.</B><BR/>I think you're the 1 mixing & matching here.<BR/>I certainly don't worship nature. In fact, I'm not personifying it whatsoever.<BR/><B>2) If you introduce evil you are making a moral judgement which needs a norm.</B><BR/>Moi? Not so. I think you're projecting your POV onto mine.<BR/><B>In one of your previous posts you said you don't have a problem with "everything is just energy&matter".</B><BR/>What I do have a problem w/, is that folks seem to think all intrinsic value stems from our existence. <BR/>We're an introverted lot, that's to be sure: self-involved to the Nth degree.Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20169168.post-1154975117512040622006-08-07T11:25:00.000-07:002006-08-07T11:25:00.000-07:00RAYou seem to be mixing&matching worldviews here.1...RA<BR/><BR/>You seem to be mixing&matching worldviews here.<BR/><BR/>1) Either you believe that nature is all there is and everything that has ever been. Then your values shoudl be based on that, ie. everything is natural.<BR/><BR/>2) If you introduce evil you are making a moral judgement which needs a norm.<BR/><BR/>In one of your previous posts you said you don't have a problem with "everything is just energy&matter".<BR/><BR/>Or did you stub your toe on a moral law recently?;)Toffehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05056150137595422127noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20169168.post-1154893844136463492006-08-06T12:50:00.000-07:002006-08-06T12:50:00.000-07:00karen:I'm of the mind (& this is pet theory only),...karen:<BR/>I'm of the mind (& this is pet theory only), that if another species (say raccoons, for instance) had developed the capacity to give birth out of season, it might well be us rooting thru their trash.<BR/><B>How fitting that a tiny microbe or worm or spider can bring down the mighty man.</B><BR/>But...but if the bible doesn't say so, it can't be so! ;)<BR/><B>As you so aptly point out though, what good parent places razors and broken glas in the path of an unknowing infant? </B><BR/>A psychopathic 1, perhaps? The Gnostic concept of the Demiurge comes to mind.<BR/><B>Creator God, loving parent? Hogwash.</B><BR/>A cold, uncaring universe, more like.<BR/>Better to improve our lot, and our fellowman's (and woman's!), than to invest in such folderol.Krystalline Apostatehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09044558668644447375noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20169168.post-1154886641057712972006-08-06T10:50:00.000-07:002006-08-06T10:50:00.000-07:00Yes, we share this fine planet with the other spec...Yes, we share this fine planet with the other species. We were not made to reign over it or them, but due to our selfishness, we declare it as ours.<BR/><BR/>How fitting that a tiny microbe or worm or spider can bring down the mighty man.<BR/><BR/>Of course the theist will say that all the curses you mention only came about after the fall. As you so aptly point out though, what good parent places razors and broken glas in the path of an unknowing infant? <BR/><BR/>Creator God, loving parent? Hogwash.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com